Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T00:45:29-05:00
No roadkill has been seen in 10 years.
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T00:45:59-05:00
Geist - A velvet mite loveeeeeeee
Melissa "The Creeper" Nicole 2015-02-06T00:46:59-05:00
Nice. "Climax?" was the 19,000Th comment
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T00:47:36-05:00
The Creeper - need to tweet that to @gameofkittens
Kevin "Lord Zombitten" Buckner 2015-02-06T00:49:51-05:00
Yes, they need to know that
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T00:51:01-05:00
Trivia. In to 1850's, the word "climax" was used roughly the same way we used rad, tubular, groovy, neat, cool, etc.
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T00:56:01-05:00
Yippie! I have one follower on twitter.
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T00:58:13-05:00
2 followers!
Poz 2015-02-06T01:00:26-05:00
This is by far the worst communication I have ever seen from a project creator. Elan, you can draw some awesome and cute cat pics (or at least employ people to do so), but you fail hard at talking to the people that are trying to support you.
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T01:00:31-05:00
That Thunder Clap is gaining social reach by the hour!
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:01:39-05:00
About a quarter million to reach Veronica Mars, and 3/4 million to reach Pono. I think we'll do both, handily.
Please check out our Thunder Clap for Exploding Kittens http://thndr.it/1CXhh0P and a big thank you to those of you that have already signed up.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:02:47-05:00
Inman draws the kittens, Elan runs the show.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:04:57-05:00
Why would anyone want to draw more attention to this kickstarter. It is already so big that the Creator completely disregards any questions asked of him.
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T01:06:07-05:00
TC - good night. Social reach up to 8 now.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:09:57-05:00
What questions do you have, Poz, that aren't already outlined in the FAQ section?
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T01:11:54-05:00
Nice. Social reach of 10! Yippie.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:11:58-05:00
If the estimated delivery date will still be maintained.
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T01:13:06-05:00
Reach up to 11!
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:14:09-05:00
Hey, if it isn't Mr. Poz-itivity. Welcome back.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:18:09-05:00
Hi Dan,I hope you are having a good night.
I know my comments irritate you. I am sorry.
I just want a response from Elan about the delivery date.
It is not hard for him write a comment, "Yes, the delivery date will be maintained" or "No, due to popularity, the delivery date will not be maintained, we will provide an updated delivery time line once the project has closed to new backers.".
Yet he fails to do so.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:18:57-05:00
Modern prining presses print one full deck of cards per sheet, they then need to be slit and then trimmed, packaged, etc ... but really, the ability to produce 300,000 decks of cards is not hard nowadays once the contract is set. I bet they hit their date, and if it does run long, it'll be due to shipping issues, not printing.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:20:21-05:00
Think about it this way, the Washington Post, or USA Today, prints and delivers how many million copies a day? These cards are simple compared to that.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:20:40-05:00
I just don't, I really don't, understand why this is your biggest concern. And why you think there needs to be an answer right now. There's an a delivery date set. Yes, it got bigger than planned and presumably if delivery is going to be delayed, they will ONLY know that after the kickstarter is finished.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:20:41-05:00
Durn typos!
Poz 2015-02-06T01:21:17-05:00
Jeff, you could be totally right. I am sure there are company's that put in larger orders all the time with faster dead lines...
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T01:22:50-05:00
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Poz 2015-02-06T01:23:28-05:00
Dan, if you read my comment again, I am not asking for a specific deadline. In fact, one of my suggested responses that Elan make in facts says that they are unable to provide a specific date until after the project is done.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:24:52-05:00
Yeah, but I'm saying we don't have information to the contrary that they can't fulfill expected delivery.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:26:23-05:00
A lot of people have speculated on this point. YOU'RE speculating on this point. And if you're not, and somehow know that they can't deliver as said, then you have your answer already.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:27:24-05:00
If a lot of people have speculated on this point then why has Elan not clarified?
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:27:38-05:00
It's why, (and I'm not saying you're a troll) but this kind of repetitive asking, and having no other contribution to the comments starts to feel a lot like "troll activity"
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:29:41-05:00
Shipping all these will be the issue, not making them. There are 138,000 distinct addresses right now, all over the world. I'd hate to be in their shoes, but then, Amazon ships how many million packages a year?
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:30:05-05:00
Speculation is just that. Maybe they're doing everything in their power to seal the deals needed to meet those expectations. It wouldn't make sense to make an announcement that they CAN'T or MIGHT NOT deliver on time if they still are trying and have a chance...
Poz 2015-02-06T01:30:24-05:00
With every project I back, I ask questions. Typically only one at first and others to follow. I will repeate that question until I recive an answer from the Creator. It is not troll activity. It is my money and I will only put it into a project that deserves it. If Elan can not answer a simple question such as that, then why does he deserve my money?
If I do not ask it often, it will be forgotten and never get answered.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:30:37-05:00
I suspect Elan can't clarify because at this time they are still hammering out contracts with their printers, shipping partners, etc. Hard and fast numbers aren't there to be quoted yet.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:32:49-05:00
There are 138K of us, if Elan answered each of us once, and only spent thirty seconds doing so -- it would take him 48 days straight. That's why he doesn't reply personally to each and every question.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:33:17-05:00
The reason it seems like troll activity is because you are acting as if you're the first and only person to have thought of the issue. That it's necessary to keep saying every day, or every hour. Yes, it's your money. And yes, this is an open comment feed, so you're free to say and ask whatever you like. You just can't be so obtuse to not understand why others might get annoyed by the incessant nature of it, when it really is a pre-answered or unanswerable question at this point in time.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:33:39-05:00
Deals should have already been in place. If the popularity exceeds those deals then he should provide an update saying that due to popularity there is uncertainty in meeting the estimated delivery date. An update will be provided when the uncertainty is eliminated.
The bottom line here is that the creator needs to communicate with the backers. That is my biggest problem right now.
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T01:33:52-05:00
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Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:35:03-05:00
The creator has provided information, you just don't like the answer. Get over it.
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-06T01:35:59-05:00
@Poz, if it's really that big of a deal to you back out. Shit it get off the pot.. Seriously. Man up and stop being a Dante.
Keith "Virrgo" Goken 2015-02-06T01:36:01-05:00
So how's the Troll(Poz) doing ? Upset someone might be sleeping or busy :(
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:36:03-05:00
Deals should have been in place already? Really? How was Elan to know he would need 300K decks of cards -- his initial posts show he was thinking a couple of hundred to a thousand ...
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:36:22-05:00
I get all of that, but if you're so picky and need some kind of answer to that now to make this whole project feel worthy of your money, and you're not getting it...why haven't you dropped out already? I'm not saying you should...but you seem very dismayed at the process, and upset with the creators.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:37:11-05:00
I appologize if you feel as though I am acting as if I am the first and only person to have thought of the issue. To me it is obvious and I would expect 99% of the backers to agree. But if we do not ask the quetion until it is answered, then it will go unanswered.
In fact, to discurace perfectly on topic questions as you are, is more troll like activity.
I am not the obtuse one here. You keep make it seem like I am looking for an exact date. I am not, I am looking for communication from the Creator, specifically on if the estimated delivery date will be maintained.
It is a reasonable request.
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-06T01:38:06-05:00
@Virrgo, haven't met you yet, welcome to the Corps! I see you've metmet Poz...
Poz 2015-02-06T01:38:15-05:00
@Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf: Please read the Be respectful and considerate link beside the Post comment button. It states that you are not supposed to spam.
Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf 2015-02-06T01:38:46-05:00
@Poz - Ditto.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:39:03-05:00
Hrmm... I guess, where I'm confused is when did you default to "the estimated delivery date will NOT be maintained" though?
Poz is not the first person I met on KS that reads everything as it suits him. Not that they win anything, just annoy people. Please let him be.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:42:31-05:00
Yep, that must be it, we've all been had because The Creator™ won't reply! Like the fellow over on BGG who thinks that this will fail -- he claims that the creators of KS campaigns take their winnings and go to Vegas and gamble it all away, and no one ever delivers a KS product. Elan and crew aren't talking to printers and shippers, they are secretly negotiating to buy a small pacific isle so they can retire to it.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:42:49-05:00
I never did default to that. I am asking if it will be maintained or not and if it is uncertain for that to be stated.
There could be any number of responses from the creator. I am looking for communication on the topic.
Does anyone not realize that this is probably the least a project creator has ever communicated during the campaign?
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:44:00-05:00
Did you ever think that because they have NOT stated the delivery date will change, that it in fact WON'T change?
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:44:24-05:00
Yes, I think a lot of people realize the creator interaction has been limited. And I can appreciate that if you're a long-time and frequent backer of kickstarter projects, you're likely to get burned time and again....
Poz 2015-02-06T01:44:29-05:00
Tsveta, your zen like attitude is shared. I am not trying to make a big deal about this. I am just defending my question. I feel as though I am the one being attacked here.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:44:53-05:00
@Jeff - +1 Yes, exactly what I've been saying...
Poz 2015-02-06T01:45:47-05:00
Jeff, that is true. But I making sure that is clear before the campaign ends. Because when that delivery date swings by. I will be expecting my reward. (Unless otherwise informed)
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:46:08-05:00
No no, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to attack you. In fact, there's only a couple people around, so it's actually a decent time to have a chat about things legitimately :) I've got a little time to kill anyway.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:46:10-05:00
I think that Elan and crew knew full well this would sell like crazy, and his story about thinking they'd only need a few thousand sets is a nice deceit. I think they just didn't know if they'd need to make 100K or 150K decks, and there were plans in place all along for it to be a huge project.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:46:56-05:00
See, and that's where you make the most sense POZ...
Paul Rials 2015-02-06T01:47:51-05:00
I gotta say thunder clap sure sounds like a wicked VD... None the less, I'm in both Facebook and the Tweeter!
Poz 2015-02-06T01:47:55-05:00
You are right Jeff. Thank you for talking to me civilized.
But Elan and his crew need to communicate this as I have been asking many times.
Kevin "Lord Zombitten" Buckner 2015-02-06T01:48:37-05:00
Jeff, of course there were. That's why they talked to the folks at Cards Against Humanity (another wildly successful KS campaign) before this whole thing even started. Their printer has dealt with gargantu orders before. They can do it again
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:48:47-05:00
Look, I don't for a second think that the EK team was worried about getting backing for this project. Some people go into a kickstarter hanging hopes on stars and whatever... but ideally you put out a projection of what you need compared to what you think you can get, and balance that number somewhere that will allow you to have a successful campaign...
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:49:53-05:00
But I really, really, really, don't think they could have anticipated a simple card game blowing away records and ultimately becoming the highest backed campaign in the history of kickstarter... Anyone going into something thinking that would have to be crazy.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:49:56-05:00
Most folks accept that a KS can run long -- this is the very first thing I have backed, and even I knew that going in. But all this aside, printing cards isn't rocket science, nor is making the box for them, it is everyday stuff for a competent printer. Yes, they need to make a buttload of decks, but it isn't an insurmountable quantity. We're talking playing cards, no the FormLabs 3D printer, or that stupid cooler.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:51:36-05:00
haha Yeah, this project was a real hit. But it has cats! So it should not have been a surprise :P
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:52:17-05:00
So as far as that is concerned Poz, are you saying if projected delivery date CANNOT be met that you will pull out?
Kevin "Lord Zombitten" Buckner 2015-02-06T01:53:14-05:00
Cats and the Oatmeal! They knew it was going ti be huge. My bet is that IF it goes late, it will only be by a few months
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:54:31-05:00
And IF it goes late, it will be due to shipping, not printing.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:54:49-05:00
I mean, as much as it seems like crazy talk in here a lot of the time, there's a community here that is collectively trying to gather information and share with each other and creators. If that's the sentiment that should be passed along... we can all together keep at it
Kerry "Iron Wolf" 2015-02-06T01:56:28-05:00
Hey everyone. I'm new to KS.. I think they will get all the cards printed on time. Shipping is where most of my mail comes in late. I think they will do their best to get it to everyone in a timely manner.
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-06T01:57:33-05:00
@Kerry, welcome!
Poz 2015-02-06T01:57:55-05:00
It is unfortunate that so many kickstarter projects run long. Its kind of a type of kickstarter culture where it is expected for projects to be late and people accept that as 'how it works'.
I am as understand as the next guy, but I am also always trying to have expectations set. If the Creators do their homework correct the first time, they minimize delays. Then as soon as a delay is apparent, they should communicate it. There is more risk in backing a project that is still being developed, delays will happen. But most can be foreseen and accounted for, other just need to be communicated. I get it, I think most people get it.
The best way to keep accountability on Creators is by asking questions and making sure they get their homework done. It is a step away from the culture of accepting that delays will 'just occur'.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T01:58:45-05:00
@Poz, I notice you backed the 'Stem System' ... how has that one gone? I was sitting at a group dinner with their IT guy the evening their campaign went live, we were all boggling at how quickly it was selling. Other than that, I haven't followed it at all.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T01:58:57-05:00
But right now, you're that consistent lone-wolf that comes across as a one note troll. Again, just saying that's how it's being perceived. And I think there are better ways to go about it. Because honestly I think either A: your concern has been seen, and there is not a clear answer. B: It has not been seen because everything's crazy. or C: It has been seen, but the reality is, unless you've personally pledged all but 9,999.99 of the project, they don't NEED to answer you or keep your pledge.
Poz 2015-02-06T01:59:51-05:00
No, I bought this for my girlfriend.
Kerry "Iron Wolf" 2015-02-06T02:00:26-05:00
Just curious POZ. Have you sent a message to the creator yet or have you been expecting an answer in the comments?
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T02:01:36-05:00
I accept that KS run long in fulfillment, but then, I used to develop and sell my own line of model railroad kits while working full time for a firm that did the same -- we seldom hit our schedules either, despite out best efforts. That said, we always delivered our client models on time for the architectural/engineering side of the business.
Poz 2015-02-06T02:01:49-05:00
No, I think right now Sixense are waiting for feedback from the prototypes they sent out. They have started mass production, from my understanding, but they also mentioned needed to make tweeks based on the feedback.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T02:02:38-05:00
(and I'm waiting for backer #138,000 or $5.5M, then it's off to bed)
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-06T02:02:47-05:00
@Poz, I've been reading your comments this evening. I can understand, and even get bring the idea they drives you. I think the big issue is message management. Most of the time you pop in demanding information and making ultimatums. That type of behavior will only draw ire (as it already has). If you come in a bit less aggressively I think your message would be better received. Just my .02
Poz 2015-02-06T02:03:17-05:00
I send a message to the creator every date for the past week. No response.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T02:04:24-05:00
Yeah, I...why? why would you do that?
Poz 2015-02-06T02:05:00-05:00
I will try that next time Chris, thank you.
I guarantee they will call me a troll though! I think my reputation has been damaged.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T02:05:25-05:00
I mean, I know...to have it seen, to make sure you get an answer... but, you can't think of a better way to go about it? Other than sheer volume and repetition?
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-06T02:05:30-05:00
As previously noted, if we each ask Elan just one question, and he spends thirty seconds answering us, he would have to allocate the next 48 days straight to complete the replies. I would never expect a personal answer from him any more than I would expect President Obama to reply to a letter I sent him.
Poz 2015-02-06T02:06:26-05:00
I message him every day because I am assuming he clicks on my message so it is unread and moves on. I hope that at some point he will respond.
Kerry "Iron Wolf" 2015-02-06T02:07:01-05:00
@Poz, you need to be patient. There are almost 138,000 backers (not to mention social media followers). There are a ridiculous number of messages going to them. Adding more messages will not get you answers sooner.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T02:07:10-05:00
Well, I think it has been damaged a bit as well. But you're coming back, because you're taking the time to voice the full concern and saying something more than just the one-hit wonder everyone sees all the time.
Poz 2015-02-06T02:07:23-05:00
I can not think of another way... other then waiting for something that might not happen.
Kerry "Iron Wolf" 2015-02-06T02:07:49-05:00
You will get your answers. Just be patient my friend.
Tim A 2015-02-06T02:08:00-05:00
The creators are probably being flooded with emails. It's a bit unreasonable to expect an answer so quickly, especially when it borders on harassment. Also, there is probably no solid delivery date because they aren't sure where they are sending all their decks. They've indicated that they will try to get the best shipping rates as possible and other commenters have suggested they use bulk shipping to get better rates but they don't know if they will have the numbers to a certain destination to qualify. It's still very fluid until the numbers come in.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T02:08:21-05:00
First, you have to at least accept that you will not get a direct answer. At least not to you specifically...
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-06T02:08:28-05:00
@Poz, I'm not going to say it's going to be easy. I remember the first time I saw one of your posts you were making ultimatums and that shut me off to your comments. Of you keep to a more even handed approach I think people will be more receptive and you'll even get a few of us to back your request.
"Diamond Dan" Drake 2015-02-06T02:10:08-05:00
But if you're needing information to make your decision with YOUR money, that's a fair request. Perhaps phrasing something along those lines, without having it sound like a threat...?
No roadkill has been seen in 10 years.
Geist - A velvet mite loveeeeeeee
Nice. "Climax?" was the 19,000Th comment
The Creeper - need to tweet that to @gameofkittens
Yes, they need to know that
Trivia. In to 1850's, the word "climax" was used roughly the same way we used rad, tubular, groovy, neat, cool, etc.
Yippie! I have one follower on twitter.
2 followers!
This is by far the worst communication I have ever seen from a project creator. Elan, you can draw some awesome and cute cat pics (or at least employ people to do so), but you fail hard at talking to the people that are trying to support you.
That Thunder Clap is gaining social reach by the hour!
About a quarter million to reach Veronica Mars, and 3/4 million to reach Pono. I think we'll do both, handily.
Good night
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Inman draws the kittens, Elan runs the show.
Why would anyone want to draw more attention to this kickstarter. It is already so big that the Creator completely disregards any questions asked of him.
TC - good night. Social reach up to 8 now.
What questions do you have, Poz, that aren't already outlined in the FAQ section?
Nice. Social reach of 10! Yippie.
If the estimated delivery date will still be maintained.
Reach up to 11!
Hey, if it isn't Mr. Poz-itivity. Welcome back.
Hi Dan,I hope you are having a good night.
I know my comments irritate you. I am sorry.
I just want a response from Elan about the delivery date.
It is not hard for him write a comment, "Yes, the delivery date will be maintained" or "No, due to popularity, the delivery date will not be maintained, we will provide an updated delivery time line once the project has closed to new backers.".
Yet he fails to do so.
Modern prining presses print one full deck of cards per sheet, they then need to be slit and then trimmed, packaged, etc ... but really, the ability to produce 300,000 decks of cards is not hard nowadays once the contract is set. I bet they hit their date, and if it does run long, it'll be due to shipping issues, not printing.
Think about it this way, the Washington Post, or USA Today, prints and delivers how many million copies a day? These cards are simple compared to that.
I just don't, I really don't, understand why this is your biggest concern. And why you think there needs to be an answer right now. There's an a delivery date set. Yes, it got bigger than planned and presumably if delivery is going to be delayed, they will ONLY know that after the kickstarter is finished.
Durn typos!
Jeff, you could be totally right. I am sure there are company's that put in larger orders all the time with faster dead lines...
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Dan, if you read my comment again, I am not asking for a specific deadline. In fact, one of my suggested responses that Elan make in facts says that they are unable to provide a specific date until after the project is done.
Yeah, but I'm saying we don't have information to the contrary that they can't fulfill expected delivery.
A lot of people have speculated on this point. YOU'RE speculating on this point. And if you're not, and somehow know that they can't deliver as said, then you have your answer already.
If a lot of people have speculated on this point then why has Elan not clarified?
It's why, (and I'm not saying you're a troll) but this kind of repetitive asking, and having no other contribution to the comments starts to feel a lot like "troll activity"
Shipping all these will be the issue, not making them. There are 138,000 distinct addresses right now, all over the world. I'd hate to be in their shoes, but then, Amazon ships how many million packages a year?
Speculation is just that. Maybe they're doing everything in their power to seal the deals needed to meet those expectations. It wouldn't make sense to make an announcement that they CAN'T or MIGHT NOT deliver on time if they still are trying and have a chance...
With every project I back, I ask questions. Typically only one at first and others to follow. I will repeate that question until I recive an answer from the Creator. It is not troll activity. It is my money and I will only put it into a project that deserves it. If Elan can not answer a simple question such as that, then why does he deserve my money?
If I do not ask it often, it will be forgotten and never get answered.
I suspect Elan can't clarify because at this time they are still hammering out contracts with their printers, shipping partners, etc. Hard and fast numbers aren't there to be quoted yet.
Morning. Still thinking about achievements I see.
There are 138K of us, if Elan answered each of us once, and only spent thirty seconds doing so -- it would take him 48 days straight. That's why he doesn't reply personally to each and every question.
The reason it seems like troll activity is because you are acting as if you're the first and only person to have thought of the issue. That it's necessary to keep saying every day, or every hour. Yes, it's your money. And yes, this is an open comment feed, so you're free to say and ask whatever you like. You just can't be so obtuse to not understand why others might get annoyed by the incessant nature of it, when it really is a pre-answered or unanswerable question at this point in time.
Deals should have already been in place. If the popularity exceeds those deals then he should provide an update saying that due to popularity there is uncertainty in meeting the estimated delivery date. An update will be provided when the uncertainty is eliminated.
The bottom line here is that the creator needs to communicate with the backers. That is my biggest problem right now.
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The creator has provided information, you just don't like the answer. Get over it.
@Poz, if it's really that big of a deal to you back out. Shit it get off the pot.. Seriously. Man up and stop being a Dante.
So how's the Troll(Poz) doing ? Upset someone might be sleeping or busy :(
Deals should have been in place already? Really? How was Elan to know he would need 300K decks of cards -- his initial posts show he was thinking a couple of hundred to a thousand ...
I get all of that, but if you're so picky and need some kind of answer to that now to make this whole project feel worthy of your money, and you're not getting it...why haven't you dropped out already? I'm not saying you should...but you seem very dismayed at the process, and upset with the creators.
I appologize if you feel as though I am acting as if I am the first and only person to have thought of the issue. To me it is obvious and I would expect 99% of the backers to agree. But if we do not ask the quetion until it is answered, then it will go unanswered.
In fact, to discurace perfectly on topic questions as you are, is more troll like activity.
I am not the obtuse one here. You keep make it seem like I am looking for an exact date. I am not, I am looking for communication from the Creator, specifically on if the estimated delivery date will be maintained.
It is a reasonable request.
@Virrgo, haven't met you yet, welcome to the Corps! I see you've metmet Poz...
@Experiencing Life to the Fullest-Da Wolf: Please read the Be respectful and considerate link beside the Post comment button. It states that you are not supposed to spam.
@Poz - Ditto.
Hrmm... I guess, where I'm confused is when did you default to "the estimated delivery date will NOT be maintained" though?
What am I spamming?
I see this will take a while... Off to work I go.
Poz is not the first person I met on KS that reads everything as it suits him. Not that they win anything, just annoy people. Please let him be.
Yep, that must be it, we've all been had because The Creator™ won't reply! Like the fellow over on BGG who thinks that this will fail -- he claims that the creators of KS campaigns take their winnings and go to Vegas and gamble it all away, and no one ever delivers a KS product. Elan and crew aren't talking to printers and shippers, they are secretly negotiating to buy a small pacific isle so they can retire to it.
I never did default to that. I am asking if it will be maintained or not and if it is uncertain for that to be stated.
There could be any number of responses from the creator. I am looking for communication on the topic.
Does anyone not realize that this is probably the least a project creator has ever communicated during the campaign?
Did you ever think that because they have NOT stated the delivery date will change, that it in fact WON'T change?
Yes, I think a lot of people realize the creator interaction has been limited. And I can appreciate that if you're a long-time and frequent backer of kickstarter projects, you're likely to get burned time and again....
Tsveta, your zen like attitude is shared. I am not trying to make a big deal about this. I am just defending my question. I feel as though I am the one being attacked here.
@Jeff - +1 Yes, exactly what I've been saying...
Jeff, that is true. But I making sure that is clear before the campaign ends. Because when that delivery date swings by. I will be expecting my reward. (Unless otherwise informed)
No no, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to attack you. In fact, there's only a couple people around, so it's actually a decent time to have a chat about things legitimately :) I've got a little time to kill anyway.
I think that Elan and crew knew full well this would sell like crazy, and his story about thinking they'd only need a few thousand sets is a nice deceit. I think they just didn't know if they'd need to make 100K or 150K decks, and there were plans in place all along for it to be a huge project.
See, and that's where you make the most sense POZ...
I gotta say thunder clap sure sounds like a wicked VD... None the less, I'm in both Facebook and the Tweeter!
You are right Jeff. Thank you for talking to me civilized.
But Elan and his crew need to communicate this as I have been asking many times.
Jeff, of course there were. That's why they talked to the folks at Cards Against Humanity (another wildly successful KS campaign) before this whole thing even started. Their printer has dealt with gargantu orders before. They can do it again
Look, I don't for a second think that the EK team was worried about getting backing for this project. Some people go into a kickstarter hanging hopes on stars and whatever... but ideally you put out a projection of what you need compared to what you think you can get, and balance that number somewhere that will allow you to have a successful campaign...
But I really, really, really, don't think they could have anticipated a simple card game blowing away records and ultimately becoming the highest backed campaign in the history of kickstarter... Anyone going into something thinking that would have to be crazy.
Most folks accept that a KS can run long -- this is the very first thing I have backed, and even I knew that going in. But all this aside, printing cards isn't rocket science, nor is making the box for them, it is everyday stuff for a competent printer. Yes, they need to make a buttload of decks, but it isn't an insurmountable quantity. We're talking playing cards, no the FormLabs 3D printer, or that stupid cooler.
haha Yeah, this project was a real hit. But it has cats! So it should not have been a surprise :P
So as far as that is concerned Poz, are you saying if projected delivery date CANNOT be met that you will pull out?
Cats and the Oatmeal! They knew it was going ti be huge. My bet is that IF it goes late, it will only be by a few months
And IF it goes late, it will be due to shipping, not printing.
I mean, as much as it seems like crazy talk in here a lot of the time, there's a community here that is collectively trying to gather information and share with each other and creators. If that's the sentiment that should be passed along... we can all together keep at it
Hey everyone. I'm new to KS.. I think they will get all the cards printed on time. Shipping is where most of my mail comes in late. I think they will do their best to get it to everyone in a timely manner.
@Kerry, welcome!
It is unfortunate that so many kickstarter projects run long. Its kind of a type of kickstarter culture where it is expected for projects to be late and people accept that as 'how it works'.
I am as understand as the next guy, but I am also always trying to have expectations set. If the Creators do their homework correct the first time, they minimize delays. Then as soon as a delay is apparent, they should communicate it. There is more risk in backing a project that is still being developed, delays will happen. But most can be foreseen and accounted for, other just need to be communicated. I get it, I think most people get it.
The best way to keep accountability on Creators is by asking questions and making sure they get their homework done. It is a step away from the culture of accepting that delays will 'just occur'.
@Poz, I notice you backed the 'Stem System' ... how has that one gone? I was sitting at a group dinner with their IT guy the evening their campaign went live, we were all boggling at how quickly it was selling. Other than that, I haven't followed it at all.
But right now, you're that consistent lone-wolf that comes across as a one note troll. Again, just saying that's how it's being perceived. And I think there are better ways to go about it. Because honestly I think either A: your concern has been seen, and there is not a clear answer. B: It has not been seen because everything's crazy. or C: It has been seen, but the reality is, unless you've personally pledged all but 9,999.99 of the project, they don't NEED to answer you or keep your pledge.
No, I bought this for my girlfriend.
Just curious POZ. Have you sent a message to the creator yet or have you been expecting an answer in the comments?
I accept that KS run long in fulfillment, but then, I used to develop and sell my own line of model railroad kits while working full time for a firm that did the same -- we seldom hit our schedules either, despite out best efforts. That said, we always delivered our client models on time for the architectural/engineering side of the business.
No, I think right now Sixense are waiting for feedback from the prototypes they sent out. They have started mass production, from my understanding, but they also mentioned needed to make tweeks based on the feedback.
(and I'm waiting for backer #138,000 or $5.5M, then it's off to bed)
@Poz, I've been reading your comments this evening. I can understand, and even get bring the idea they drives you. I think the big issue is message management. Most of the time you pop in demanding information and making ultimatums. That type of behavior will only draw ire (as it already has). If you come in a bit less aggressively I think your message would be better received. Just my .02
I send a message to the creator every date for the past week. No response.
Yeah, I...why? why would you do that?
I will try that next time Chris, thank you.
I guarantee they will call me a troll though! I think my reputation has been damaged.
I mean, I know...to have it seen, to make sure you get an answer... but, you can't think of a better way to go about it? Other than sheer volume and repetition?
As previously noted, if we each ask Elan just one question, and he spends thirty seconds answering us, he would have to allocate the next 48 days straight to complete the replies. I would never expect a personal answer from him any more than I would expect President Obama to reply to a letter I sent him.
I message him every day because I am assuming he clicks on my message so it is unread and moves on. I hope that at some point he will respond.
@Poz, you need to be patient. There are almost 138,000 backers (not to mention social media followers). There are a ridiculous number of messages going to them. Adding more messages will not get you answers sooner.
Well, I think it has been damaged a bit as well. But you're coming back, because you're taking the time to voice the full concern and saying something more than just the one-hit wonder everyone sees all the time.
I can not think of another way... other then waiting for something that might not happen.
You will get your answers. Just be patient my friend.
The creators are probably being flooded with emails. It's a bit unreasonable to expect an answer so quickly, especially when it borders on harassment. Also, there is probably no solid delivery date because they aren't sure where they are sending all their decks. They've indicated that they will try to get the best shipping rates as possible and other commenters have suggested they use bulk shipping to get better rates but they don't know if they will have the numbers to a certain destination to qualify. It's still very fluid until the numbers come in.
First, you have to at least accept that you will not get a direct answer. At least not to you specifically...
@Poz, I'm not going to say it's going to be easy. I remember the first time I saw one of your posts you were making ultimatums and that shut me off to your comments. Of you keep to a more even handed approach I think people will be more receptive and you'll even get a few of us to back your request.
But if you're needing information to make your decision with YOUR money, that's a fair request. Perhaps phrasing something along those lines, without having it sound like a threat...?
VVV. What that guy said