Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T11:11:21-05:00
@GM: If the deadline is under 6 months overdue then I think the backers should give them a little credit and patience. I backed one that is now 3 months overdue. I won't start to question until it's a year past due.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T11:12:05-05:00
Update: Looks like Mike wants to keep the site. Don't know if he just wants to hold onto the domain name or will get the site back up and running.
I backed one(very early on, 6th campaign in fact) that still hasn't delivered. The last update said the rewards were in. The campaign ended Nov 23, 2012
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T11:53:14-05:00
Wow. 4 YEARS ago? KS needs to do a better job on policing some of these campaigns to avoid rip offs like that.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:02:56-05:00
Hello everyone. Someone told me they were having problems with www.kittencorps.com but it's working fine for me. Can a few of you try accessing the site and confirm that it's working?
BruceP - Chameleon Prime 2016-02-10T12:04:35-05:00
It wasn't even the persons first project. He had done four previously, and only the first one he did was unsuccessful. So, I had hoped it would be a good one(I enjoyed his webcomic which was being made into a book...but stopped reading after not getting anything for a year from the campaign).
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:08:53-05:00
Has anyone else tried testing the Exploding Kittens app? I can't seem to figure out how to get a game started. It appears that I need to connect with another user who has the same app.
OMG! It's a Chameleon and a Cheetah Butt! How are you guys?!
@CB: I just tried the KC page, and it seems to be working for me. Clicked a few of the links and they opened. As for the app...only you Apple users have it so far. I've heard it works on Blue Tooth only, no internet works yet. So it's almost better to just have the physical game with you, since you will 99% of the time be in the same room to use the BT range.
BruceP - Chameleon Prime 2016-02-10T12:13:52-05:00
@Mike K,
Yeah, you have to have other people that have the app to be able to play it. That's unfortunate. :(
BruceP - Chameleon Prime 2016-02-10T12:14:03-05:00
Hi GM! :) Doing well
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T12:14:31-05:00
Good to see the KC site up and running. Howdy CB and Prime.
BruceP - Chameleon Prime 2016-02-10T12:16:04-05:00
Hi Geist
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:19:40-05:00
OK, well @Geist now has ownership of the kuttencorps.com domain. I am fine with that, but before transferring the actual site, we would need to find someone with website development experience. I'm fine with keeping it where it is and maintaining it myself, but I am not able to continue paying the bill for website hosting. I scraped together my last few pennies to renew the hosting account for the next three months, but after that, I'll need either a job or some help paying the hosting fees. Comments?
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:20:35-05:00
Please keep in mind that if the site is moved, all of the email accounts will also need to be moved or they will no longer work.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T12:23:48-05:00
@Mike: I am happy to pay for the site. How much did it cost you to renew?
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:26:40-05:00
Thank you, @Geist. hosting cost me $26.97for three months and domain renewal cost me $15.17
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T12:28:11-05:00
Give me your Paypal information and I'll reimburse you for the cost.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T12:28:48-05:00
Now that the site is in my name, I will just set the controls so that it charges my card automatically.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:33:28-05:00
@Geist, Actually, the hosting account is still attached to my GoDaddy ID, so I'm still the one being charged. You only own the actual domain name.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T12:35:25-05:00
So how do we fix this so that the hosting will be paid automatically?
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T12:39:40-05:00
I'm happy to pay for the hosting bills as the amount is reasonable. The $15.17 is only a yearly thing.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:41:05-05:00
Let me look into this. I see three options:
1. Find a way to have a third party pay for hosting renewal
2. Have me renew the hosting and get reimbursed
3. Create a new web host on your Google account and move the existing site file by file.
Option 2 is definitely the easiest, though not completely automatic. Option 1 would be fine if we can figure out a way to do it. Option 3 requires the most work. I would need Admin access to your hosting server to set it up and copy the files. I would also need to find a way to move all of the email accounts.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-10T12:43:42-05:00
Then I say go with the easy option.
Having said that, there are two ways we could do this.
1. I send you a money order (Your address is listed when I look in the domain details on the GoDaddy site. Don't worry, I don't stalk people)
2. Paypal
How you want your money is completely up to you. Let me know which you would prefer.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:44:33-05:00
Frankly, when I originally set up the site, I only purchased a year of hosting, expecting interest to dwindle to the point where no one would care after that year. I'm happy to see it's still being used.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:46:39-05:00
PayPal would work better for me. I'll let you know ahead of time when hosting needs to be renewed.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T12:47:36-05:00
While we're on the subject, does someone want to keep backup copies of the site in case I get hit by a bus?
Lord Zombitten 2016-02-10T12:56:30-05:00
It's a Cheetah Butt!
I wouldn't mind keeping backups, but I don't know how to do that.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T13:01:38-05:00
OK, basically I would make a backup of the site and send you the zip file. We'd have to use something like Dropbox because the file is to large to send as an email attachment. Whoever I send the backups to should be capable of unzipping the file and setting up a new server with the website contents.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T13:04:04-05:00
Another idea would be to keep the website source code in a Git repository. Does anyone use Git?
Lord Zombitten 2016-02-10T13:35:28-05:00
Oh. I could possibly do that with a little instruction. It may not be a bad idea, since I'll need to get a website for my hot sauce in the not too distant future.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T14:39:54-05:00
Please welcome Sergeant Fuzzyboots to the Kitten Corps. He requested Octocats for his minions, but unfortunately, there is already an Octokitten guarding the sacred fruitcake used to make the EKLOL awards.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T14:47:15-05:00
It's a really good thing my roommate has a class at the same time as me, otherwise, I probably would have slept through all of my classes today! I very nearly did!
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T14:48:16-05:00
Cheetah Butt! Chameleon! PACG! I picked a bad day to have classes all through!
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T14:55:40-05:00
The site's back up! Huzzah! And I don't need to sacrifice kids (don't remember if they were goat or human kids) to get my password and sign back in! It remembered me! They know me here.
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And I mentioned the C&H campaign yesterday already. And of course it's taking off. They really didn't need to do a KS. The only reason EK did one is because they weren't sure if it would sell at all, but The Oatmeal's popularity spurred it on. The C&H team are abusing KS; they could LITERALLY sell shit in a box and it would sell like fire to cavemen.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T14:59:25-05:00
CB, I've said before on here, if you go to the internet archives and search for kittencorps.com, they have like 12 snapshots of the site. I bet if you tried you could also pull them off of there and not need backups, though the more backups available, the better. In fact, if needed, I can take one.
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Sergeant FuzzyBoots? ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! But, is he here or something? Or one of the ghosts lurking on the page?
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T15:03:39-05:00
@Zem, the backup is not for me. It's for the rest of you in case something were to happen and I could not continue maintaining kitten corps.com
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T15:07:00-05:00
Great, now the spell-checker insists on splitting kittencorps up into its constituent words without asking me.
@Zem: Some items automatically change for me if I type them wrong(on work computer), but it's only things like putting the e before the I in review. Or, when you put a single lower case i(as seen in my example with review).
I think it's something with the way our IT set things up, or the way KS thinks I don't spell properly 99.9999999999999999~% of the time.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T18:30:55-05:00
That nap may not have done much for me, but I sure as hell needed one. Still do, but otherwise I'll sleep 5 hours straight and forget about sleeping tonight. Now watch me not do anything until about 7:30 when I eat anyways. I have alot to do...
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Also, anyone want their brain thoroughly blown out of their skull with math? I've just been thinking about this again. If you don't watch Vsauce, his latest video touched on just how large 52! (factorial), the number of combinations a deck of cards can be put in, is. The chances are EXTREMELY favorable that every time you shuffle, they've NEVER been in that order in the history of cards.
My favorite is when he describes how large the number itself is. Though you really have to think about it. Most people have never even tried to comprehend just how large 1 million is, much less 1 billion. The only reason we can even use the numbers is our logarithmic counting scale. But 1 billion years? Counted in seconds? And THEN you do all this?!?! It's freaking crazy! https://youtu.be/ObiqJzfyACM…
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T18:32:30-05:00
I mean, the first time you watch that, sure, it's staggering. Then you start thinking about it more and more... Just thinking about the number of seconds in 1 billion years! And that's only to do the very first task! I'll never look at cards the same way again.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T19:34:14-05:00
It's a big number, but I think the cards end up in the same order much more often than that. Consider the fact that, when manufactured and packaged, a deck of cards starts out in a specific sequence. There are variations, but most of these initial orderings put the cards in increasing or decreasing order within each suit and groups each suit together. The randomization of the cards after that is limited by the types of manipulations that are performed to change the order of the cards. That makes some orderings much more likely than others, so true randomization is never actually achieved.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T20:26:21-05:00
That's not when you shuffle. You can specifically put cards in a certain order, but if you shuffle randomly, even if just 2 cards are switched around, it's a completely new order. That's what makes it such a large number: you have 52 cards, and there's no likelihood whatsoever that, assuming willy-nilly assembly, all 52 will be in the exact same order. Especially considering there are 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000 possible combinations.
It's like entropy: randomness tends towards chaos, but if you put energy in, you can regain some order. When cards are packaged, it's not random; it's not shuffled. But if you put the energy into re-ordering the cards, sure, you can get them in exactly the same order as you had them some other time. But that's not shuffling.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T20:36:50-05:00
I'm not saying that the order of the cards will be predictable. I'm just saying that shuffling isn't true randomization. Consider the simplest form of shuffle: the cut. The order of the deck will change, but within each portion of the cut the cards will still be in the same order that they were before. That's why most people shuffle repeatedly before they're satisfied with the randomness of the cards.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T20:58:09-05:00
Cutting isn't shuffling. It's not even close. By shuffling, I mean true rearrangement to a significant degree. As in throw the deck in the air and then put the cards in a pile based on how they landed. Or by riffle-shuffling. True shuffling. Even one riffle is enough, but that's why you do 7 or so; it becomes as random as possible. But by even shuffling 2 cards, they're in an order no 52 cards have been in ever. Is that so hard to understand? I put the total possible number of combinations below. Try counting that. Or watch the video to see how truly incomprehensible the magnitude is. I think you understand, you're just making it MUCH harder than it has to be.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-10T21:54:05-05:00
Riffle-shuffling is more complex rhan a simple cut, but the deck still retains elements of order that were present prior to the riffle. I think that you are missing the essence of what I'm trying to say.
Perhaps we should agree to disagree rather than risk angering each other with a protracted argument. I agree that 52! is a huge number.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T22:39:39-05:00
It doesn't matter if it retains elements. Alternating them so that each card is separated from the one it was next to before is much less random than packets of varying sizes alternating throughout. Either way, you create a new order, and one that there is a nearly 100% chance has never been dealt before.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-10T23:11:28-05:00
Actually, I just realized even cutting creates a new order that counts for the total. I mean, it may not be a playable shuffle, but if you had achieved that same order by riffling another deck, it would be. That's just to say you could throw the cards in the air, have them all land in a neat pile, and then list them off top to bottom and they'll never do it in that same order again. This has nothing to do with the method of shuffling, only the specific order each card is in with relation to every single other one. If you took one card out of 52 decks and never drew a duplicate, they would have been drawn in an order that had never been seen before. That's the point. And then the number is so staggeringly large even with a logarithmic number scale, it's just way too big to think about.
Lord Zombitten 2016-02-11T03:09:17-05:00
Here I come to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion. You see, it comes down to quantities. We're told that no two snowflakes are exactly alike because of the staggeringly large number of possible shapes, formations, etc. Well, when we think of the billions of snowflakes that fall each year, or indeed the quadrillions of snowflakes that have ever fallen, it actually becomes statistically unlikely that no two have every been the same. Of course, I've seen macroscopically identical snowflakes, so there's that, too.
What does this have to do with cards? Well, the conjecture that any shuffling arrangement creates a completely unique order of cards that the universe has never seen before and will never see again seems entirely dependant on the notion that one person is shuffling one deck. But, when calculating the odds that the universe hasn't seen the order before and never will again, we have to take into consideration how many decks of cards there are in the world (a lot) and how many decks of cards have ever existed (a lot more). With that in mind, you would have to have at some point an order that matches another order that has been seen or will be seen. You may be completely unaware of this duplication because of your own limitations (lacking the three crucial abilities required to adequately conduct this study or review: omniscience, omnipresence, and immortality), but it should exist. The duplication likelihood increases with each riffle in a set, as well. Let's say for sake of argument that at any given moment, there are 10 million decks of cards in use worldwide (which isn't unlikely, considering a population in excess of 7 billion). Also, for sake of argument that the average number of riffles in a set is 7. That's 70 million combinations being formed for each game that is played.
The odds of having a duplicate order also increase when looking at people shuffling new decks, as they tend to start with a fixed order. Granted, tiny variations in the firmness of the cards, the pressure applied by the shuffler, and how the cards are held will affect the outcome, which is why this point is merely an afterthought to my treatise on the subject.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-11T06:08:33-05:00
Morning kittens.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-11T09:00:56-05:00
LZ, that's why you shuffle 7 times. Also, the universe is 1x10^18th seconds old. That means if you shuffled a new order once every second since the universe began, you'd still only be 1/(8x10^51) way through all the orders. Sure, given all the first shuffles from a new deck, they may have been achieved, but if you shuffle well enough to use the deck in a casino, say, then it should never be in the same order ever.
That was the point of the original fun fact that is so apparently controversial for some non-apparent reason I can't find at all. Why is this so hard to accept?
There are approximately 10^80 atoms in the observable universe. There. Each of them shuffles once and you've found each order. It's just a fun probability thing. Did you see the video?
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-11T09:01:14-05:00
Morning, Geist!
Eric 'Trinkets&Nopes' Baumgarten 2016-02-11T09:09:38-05:00
Good morning all!
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-11T09:34:45-05:00
If there are any KC members that reside in Florida, looks like I will be in your state Memorial weekend. A friend of mine found travel package deal to Universal Studios for under $500 so I'm going. Looking forward to it, in fact. Haven't been on a proper vacation in years.
Pretty much. I think I *might* have everything properly organized by end of next week. But I don't think I will....what with how everything was just thrown together.
Lord Zombitten 2016-02-11T10:42:47-05:00
Zem, I get that. I was looking for a way to agree with you and argue with you at the same time. Just to be an annoying schmuck. I think it worked ;-)
Yay, two items off my list now....and three added to it in the meantime. -.-
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-11T14:02:04-05:00
@GM: One step forward, two steps back, eh?
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-11T14:06:22-05:00
Just one more thing. Just this easy, quick lab continuing from tuesday. Just need to wrap some things up. Then I only have one class at 11:30 tomorrow. After this, the hardest part of my weekend will be deciding if I want to wake up early tomorrow and get some of the best donuts ever (as thought of by most people who've tried them) or sleep in till 11 am. Still not sure on that one. I can get back from donuts, sleep till 11, and then go to class as well, but I'm still waking up before I could, and I just took an exam on 5 hours of sleep, so I know I could really use some... decisions decisions... Ah! Maybe a long nap today, stay up late tonight, get donuts in the morning, sleep till 11, then finish off the week! Solved!
Bryan Bortz 2016-02-11T14:42:26-05:00
I finally came across the non-kickstarter non-backerkit fulfillment survey.
And it happily took my info, even though it's half a year later. I hope this means it will really ship.
What a bummer. Email sucks.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-11T15:02:38-05:00
@Bryan: You might want to send the EK team a direct email. Don't know if they are still looking at the fulfillment survey stuff.
@Geist - if you're still around - the other campaign GM and I are on is still only 2 1/2 months delayed- also it knocked EK out of it's funded spot. Really popular, and so it has a LOT of kickstarter newcomers that dont understand the process. It's ridiculous. Yes- they should communicate more-it would help out a lot. but my GOD people are flipping out.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-11T19:43:50-05:00
@Creeper: I don't blame the creators for avoiding the comments section a little bit. The constant questions and harassment would get on anyone's nerves
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-11T19:48:11-05:00
I remember when people were like that here. Like... for the 6 months after the campaign ended. WOO! It's been a full year!
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Also, nothing's happened today. But CB and Chamachamachamachamachamachameleon were on yesterday.
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Man, fun day. And that one last lab was WAY more than I bargained for. But it's finally over! The weekend is nigh!
@Geist - Yeah, I understand that. But now its to the point where people are REALLY angry about it. I think it's A - because it's a bit pricier of a campaign. I got an early bird, but it's still expensive.
Factor in that with the mob mentality and it's been blown out of proportion. People have emailed and messaged on facebook saying "If you just talk to us, you'll cut down the anger by 50%"
I've been quite active on there along with a few others and try to remind them that delays are normal on kickstarter. But wow. Nothing will quiet them.
Harvard Blake 2016-02-11T21:29:45-05:00
@Melissa hi. Wanna talk about angry kc comments? Look up the grifta. I backed it as it looks amazing but over a year's of delays has made everyone, myself included, a wee bit, well, nasty. Kc is great and there will always be problems popping up but it comes down to the creator on how to deal with both the problem and the people who bought a promise. Also, One year woot!!!!
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-11T21:58:41-05:00
Dang it, even this livestreamer's cat is up in my face. I wish I could get a cat.
Micah "Zem the Mattress" Philson 2016-02-11T22:19:27-05:00
Creeper, that's a good point. They don't have a very loyal Kitten Corps to stand in and answer comments and redirect angry hate in these comments. Also, as EK proved, communication is freaking EVERYTHING! Communicate thoroughly and regularly and streamline the whole process and people will be somewhat agreeable.
Hopefully today goes so well that I can have Monday off(really don't want to be one of the two people who would be in...hopefully we can take it off completely).
Mike Kabala 2016-02-12T10:19:01-05:00
Hi everyone. What campaign is everyone talking about that passed EK?
Though, it should be The World's Worst Communication Project, as they don't even answer anything, just copy and paste responses.
Mike Kabala 2016-02-12T10:39:50-05:00
Hi, @Geist. Thank you for the financial assistance.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-12T10:55:34-05:00
No problem Mike. Glad you got the payment. I hardly ever use Paypal and I wasn't sure if I could log back in. (I hate having to have 500 different passwords for my various accounts)
@Geist: Do what I do, one password, with 10 variations of it. Possibly more, I use letters, numbers replacing letter, symbols replacing letters, and numbers, to form a single password that is easily able to meet all requirements for passwords.
Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2016-02-12T10:58:33-05:00
@GM: I don't see why some of the people who are backing that project are bitching. A three month delay is nothing. A year plus delay with very little communication is much much worse.
Maybe Kickstarter should make people take a test to see if they realize that this isn't a catalog store. If you pass the test, you can't complain if a creator goes pass their due date. If you fail, you can't be on Kickstarter.
@GM: If the deadline is under 6 months overdue then I think the backers should give them a little credit and patience. I backed one that is now 3 months overdue. I won't start to question until it's a year past due.
Update: Looks like Mike wants to keep the site. Don't know if he just wants to hold onto the domain name or will get the site back up and running.
Ah well, it was nice while it lasted.
I backed one(very early on, 6th campaign in fact) that still hasn't delivered. The last update said the rewards were in. The campaign ended Nov 23, 2012
Wow. 4 YEARS ago? KS needs to do a better job on policing some of these campaigns to avoid rip offs like that.
Hello everyone. Someone told me they were having problems with www.kittencorps.com but it's working fine for me. Can a few of you try accessing the site and confirm that it's working?
Well hello, kitties. Did folks see the project that looks to be stealing Exploding Kittens' thunder? It's a card game from Cyanide and Happiness, and is similar to Cards Against Humanity.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cyanideandhappiness/joking-hazard/description
It wasn't even the persons first project. He had done four previously, and only the first one he did was unsuccessful. So, I had hoped it would be a good one(I enjoyed his webcomic which was being made into a book...but stopped reading after not getting anything for a year from the campaign).
Has anyone else tried testing the Exploding Kittens app? I can't seem to figure out how to get a game started. It appears that I need to connect with another user who has the same app.
OMG! It's a Chameleon and a Cheetah Butt! How are you guys?!
@CB: I just tried the KC page, and it seems to be working for me. Clicked a few of the links and they opened. As for the app...only you Apple users have it so far. I've heard it works on Blue Tooth only, no internet works yet. So it's almost better to just have the physical game with you, since you will 99% of the time be in the same room to use the BT range.
@Mike K,
Yeah, you have to have other people that have the app to be able to play it. That's unfortunate. :(
Hi GM! :) Doing well
Good to see the KC site up and running. Howdy CB and Prime.
Hi Geist
OK, well @Geist now has ownership of the kuttencorps.com domain. I am fine with that, but before transferring the actual site, we would need to find someone with website development experience. I'm fine with keeping it where it is and maintaining it myself, but I am not able to continue paying the bill for website hosting. I scraped together my last few pennies to renew the hosting account for the next three months, but after that, I'll need either a job or some help paying the hosting fees. Comments?
Please keep in mind that if the site is moved, all of the email accounts will also need to be moved or they will no longer work.
@Mike: I am happy to pay for the site. How much did it cost you to renew?
Thank you, @Geist. hosting cost me $26.97for three months and domain renewal cost me $15.17
Give me your Paypal information and I'll reimburse you for the cost.
Now that the site is in my name, I will just set the controls so that it charges my card automatically.
@Geist, Actually, the hosting account is still attached to my GoDaddy ID, so I'm still the one being charged. You only own the actual domain name.
So how do we fix this so that the hosting will be paid automatically?
I'm happy to pay for the hosting bills as the amount is reasonable. The $15.17 is only a yearly thing.
Let me look into this. I see three options:
1. Find a way to have a third party pay for hosting renewal
2. Have me renew the hosting and get reimbursed
3. Create a new web host on your Google account and move the existing site file by file.
Option 2 is definitely the easiest, though not completely automatic. Option 1 would be fine if we can figure out a way to do it. Option 3 requires the most work. I would need Admin access to your hosting server to set it up and copy the files. I would also need to find a way to move all of the email accounts.
Then I say go with the easy option.
Having said that, there are two ways we could do this.
1. I send you a money order (Your address is listed when I look in the domain details on the GoDaddy site. Don't worry, I don't stalk people)
2. Paypal
How you want your money is completely up to you. Let me know which you would prefer.
Frankly, when I originally set up the site, I only purchased a year of hosting, expecting interest to dwindle to the point where no one would care after that year. I'm happy to see it's still being used.
PayPal would work better for me. I'll let you know ahead of time when hosting needs to be renewed.
While we're on the subject, does someone want to keep backup copies of the site in case I get hit by a bus?
It's a Cheetah Butt!
I wouldn't mind keeping backups, but I don't know how to do that.
OK, basically I would make a backup of the site and send you the zip file. We'd have to use something like Dropbox because the file is to large to send as an email attachment. Whoever I send the backups to should be capable of unzipping the file and setting up a new server with the website contents.
Another idea would be to keep the website source code in a Git repository. Does anyone use Git?
Oh. I could possibly do that with a little instruction. It may not be a bad idea, since I'll need to get a website for my hot sauce in the not too distant future.
Please welcome Sergeant Fuzzyboots to the Kitten Corps. He requested Octocats for his minions, but unfortunately, there is already an Octokitten guarding the sacred fruitcake used to make the EKLOL awards.
It's a really good thing my roommate has a class at the same time as me, otherwise, I probably would have slept through all of my classes today! I very nearly did!
Cheetah Butt! Chameleon! PACG! I picked a bad day to have classes all through!
The site's back up! Huzzah! And I don't need to sacrifice kids (don't remember if they were goat or human kids) to get my password and sign back in! It remembered me! They know me here.
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And I mentioned the C&H campaign yesterday already. And of course it's taking off. They really didn't need to do a KS. The only reason EK did one is because they weren't sure if it would sell at all, but The Oatmeal's popularity spurred it on. The C&H team are abusing KS; they could LITERALLY sell shit in a box and it would sell like fire to cavemen.
CB, I've said before on here, if you go to the internet archives and search for kittencorps.com, they have like 12 snapshots of the site. I bet if you tried you could also pull them off of there and not need backups, though the more backups available, the better. In fact, if needed, I can take one.
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Sergeant FuzzyBoots? ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! But, is he here or something? Or one of the ghosts lurking on the page?
@Zem, the backup is not for me. It's for the rest of you in case something were to happen and I could not continue maintaining kitten corps.com
Great, now the spell-checker insists on splitting kittencorps up into its constituent words without asking me.
I never let spellcheck do it's own thing(99% of the time)
I'm right 99% of the time, so I don't even need one.
I turn off spell checkers whenever I find them, but more keep popping up and enabling themselves by default.
I'm on my computer, so I only have the checker, which is a little annoying. If I had an autocorrect, I'd hate my life.
Cheetah Butt AND Chameleon!!!
Too bad I caught a cold today and have been a mushy blob with a head full of blargh. Off to bed. Hope everyone is having a good day!
@Zem: Some items automatically change for me if I type them wrong(on work computer), but it's only things like putting the e before the I in review. Or, when you put a single lower case i(as seen in my example with review).
Also, I blame Creeper. >.>
The KS comments don't change the words for me like that. They do in Word, but not here.
I think it's something with the way our IT set things up, or the way KS thinks I don't spell properly 99.9999999999999999~% of the time.
That nap may not have done much for me, but I sure as hell needed one. Still do, but otherwise I'll sleep 5 hours straight and forget about sleeping tonight. Now watch me not do anything until about 7:30 when I eat anyways. I have alot to do...
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Also, anyone want their brain thoroughly blown out of their skull with math? I've just been thinking about this again. If you don't watch Vsauce, his latest video touched on just how large 52! (factorial), the number of combinations a deck of cards can be put in, is. The chances are EXTREMELY favorable that every time you shuffle, they've NEVER been in that order in the history of cards.
My favorite is when he describes how large the number itself is. Though you really have to think about it. Most people have never even tried to comprehend just how large 1 million is, much less 1 billion. The only reason we can even use the numbers is our logarithmic counting scale. But 1 billion years? Counted in seconds? And THEN you do all this?!?! It's freaking crazy! https://youtu.be/ObiqJzfyACM…
I mean, the first time you watch that, sure, it's staggering. Then you start thinking about it more and more... Just thinking about the number of seconds in 1 billion years! And that's only to do the very first task! I'll never look at cards the same way again.
It's a big number, but I think the cards end up in the same order much more often than that. Consider the fact that, when manufactured and packaged, a deck of cards starts out in a specific sequence. There are variations, but most of these initial orderings put the cards in increasing or decreasing order within each suit and groups each suit together. The randomization of the cards after that is limited by the types of manipulations that are performed to change the order of the cards. That makes some orderings much more likely than others, so true randomization is never actually achieved.
That's not when you shuffle. You can specifically put cards in a certain order, but if you shuffle randomly, even if just 2 cards are switched around, it's a completely new order. That's what makes it such a large number: you have 52 cards, and there's no likelihood whatsoever that, assuming willy-nilly assembly, all 52 will be in the exact same order. Especially considering there are 80658175170943878571660636856403766975289505440883277824000000000000 possible combinations.
It's like entropy: randomness tends towards chaos, but if you put energy in, you can regain some order. When cards are packaged, it's not random; it's not shuffled. But if you put the energy into re-ordering the cards, sure, you can get them in exactly the same order as you had them some other time. But that's not shuffling.
I'm not saying that the order of the cards will be predictable. I'm just saying that shuffling isn't true randomization. Consider the simplest form of shuffle: the cut. The order of the deck will change, but within each portion of the cut the cards will still be in the same order that they were before. That's why most people shuffle repeatedly before they're satisfied with the randomness of the cards.
Cutting isn't shuffling. It's not even close. By shuffling, I mean true rearrangement to a significant degree. As in throw the deck in the air and then put the cards in a pile based on how they landed. Or by riffle-shuffling. True shuffling. Even one riffle is enough, but that's why you do 7 or so; it becomes as random as possible. But by even shuffling 2 cards, they're in an order no 52 cards have been in ever. Is that so hard to understand? I put the total possible number of combinations below. Try counting that. Or watch the video to see how truly incomprehensible the magnitude is. I think you understand, you're just making it MUCH harder than it has to be.
Riffle-shuffling is more complex rhan a simple cut, but the deck still retains elements of order that were present prior to the riffle. I think that you are missing the essence of what I'm trying to say.
Perhaps we should agree to disagree rather than risk angering each other with a protracted argument. I agree that 52! is a huge number.
It doesn't matter if it retains elements. Alternating them so that each card is separated from the one it was next to before is much less random than packets of varying sizes alternating throughout. Either way, you create a new order, and one that there is a nearly 100% chance has never been dealt before.
Actually, I just realized even cutting creates a new order that counts for the total. I mean, it may not be a playable shuffle, but if you had achieved that same order by riffling another deck, it would be. That's just to say you could throw the cards in the air, have them all land in a neat pile, and then list them off top to bottom and they'll never do it in that same order again. This has nothing to do with the method of shuffling, only the specific order each card is in with relation to every single other one. If you took one card out of 52 decks and never drew a duplicate, they would have been drawn in an order that had never been seen before. That's the point. And then the number is so staggeringly large even with a logarithmic number scale, it's just way too big to think about.
Here I come to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion. You see, it comes down to quantities. We're told that no two snowflakes are exactly alike because of the staggeringly large number of possible shapes, formations, etc. Well, when we think of the billions of snowflakes that fall each year, or indeed the quadrillions of snowflakes that have ever fallen, it actually becomes statistically unlikely that no two have every been the same. Of course, I've seen macroscopically identical snowflakes, so there's that, too.
What does this have to do with cards? Well, the conjecture that any shuffling arrangement creates a completely unique order of cards that the universe has never seen before and will never see again seems entirely dependant on the notion that one person is shuffling one deck. But, when calculating the odds that the universe hasn't seen the order before and never will again, we have to take into consideration how many decks of cards there are in the world (a lot) and how many decks of cards have ever existed (a lot more). With that in mind, you would have to have at some point an order that matches another order that has been seen or will be seen. You may be completely unaware of this duplication because of your own limitations (lacking the three crucial abilities required to adequately conduct this study or review: omniscience, omnipresence, and immortality), but it should exist. The duplication likelihood increases with each riffle in a set, as well. Let's say for sake of argument that at any given moment, there are 10 million decks of cards in use worldwide (which isn't unlikely, considering a population in excess of 7 billion). Also, for sake of argument that the average number of riffles in a set is 7. That's 70 million combinations being formed for each game that is played.
The odds of having a duplicate order also increase when looking at people shuffling new decks, as they tend to start with a fixed order. Granted, tiny variations in the firmness of the cards, the pressure applied by the shuffler, and how the cards are held will affect the outcome, which is why this point is merely an afterthought to my treatise on the subject.
Morning kittens.
LZ, that's why you shuffle 7 times. Also, the universe is 1x10^18th seconds old. That means if you shuffled a new order once every second since the universe began, you'd still only be 1/(8x10^51) way through all the orders. Sure, given all the first shuffles from a new deck, they may have been achieved, but if you shuffle well enough to use the deck in a casino, say, then it should never be in the same order ever.
That was the point of the original fun fact that is so apparently controversial for some non-apparent reason I can't find at all. Why is this so hard to accept?
There are approximately 10^80 atoms in the observable universe. There. Each of them shuffles once and you've found each order. It's just a fun probability thing. Did you see the video?
Morning, Geist!
Good morning all!
If there are any KC members that reside in Florida, looks like I will be in your state Memorial weekend. A friend of mine found travel package deal to Universal Studios for under $500 so I'm going. Looking forward to it, in fact. Haven't been on a proper vacation in years.
Morning kittens. Another "fun" filled day ahead.
By "fun" you mean "headache inducing", right?
Pretty much. I think I *might* have everything properly organized by end of next week. But I don't think I will....what with how everything was just thrown together.
Zem, I get that. I was looking for a way to agree with you and argue with you at the same time. Just to be an annoying schmuck. I think it worked ;-)
Yay, two items off my list now....and three added to it in the meantime. -.-
@GM: One step forward, two steps back, eh?
Just one more thing. Just this easy, quick lab continuing from tuesday. Just need to wrap some things up. Then I only have one class at 11:30 tomorrow. After this, the hardest part of my weekend will be deciding if I want to wake up early tomorrow and get some of the best donuts ever (as thought of by most people who've tried them) or sleep in till 11 am. Still not sure on that one. I can get back from donuts, sleep till 11, and then go to class as well, but I'm still waking up before I could, and I just took an exam on 5 hours of sleep, so I know I could really use some... decisions decisions... Ah! Maybe a long nap today, stay up late tonight, get donuts in the morning, sleep till 11, then finish off the week! Solved!
I finally came across the non-kickstarter non-backerkit fulfillment survey.
And it happily took my info, even though it's half a year later. I hope this means it will really ship.
What a bummer. Email sucks.
@Bryan: You might want to send the EK team a direct email. Don't know if they are still looking at the fulfillment survey stuff.
damn stupid work! I missed quite the reunion today! Hi guys if you're still around!
I'm about to sign off actually...I have a meeting at the bank, and then heading home.
But hi Creeper. You're a bad influence(Bagel/Donut campaign).
bagel donut campaign? wait... i know i love donuts and speak of them frequently. Just trying to remember specific mention.
@Geist - if you're still around - the other campaign GM and I are on is still only 2 1/2 months delayed- also it knocked EK out of it's funded spot. Really popular, and so it has a LOT of kickstarter newcomers that dont understand the process. It's ridiculous. Yes- they should communicate more-it would help out a lot. but my GOD people are flipping out.
You didn't mention, I snooped.
But time for me to go, before I'm late for the appointment. @_@
Whoo hoo! Stalker! :)
@Creeper: I don't blame the creators for avoiding the comments section a little bit. The constant questions and harassment would get on anyone's nerves
I remember when people were like that here. Like... for the 6 months after the campaign ended. WOO! It's been a full year!
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Also, nothing's happened today. But CB and Chamachamachamachamachamachameleon were on yesterday.
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Man, fun day. And that one last lab was WAY more than I bargained for. But it's finally over! The weekend is nigh!
@Geist - Yeah, I understand that. But now its to the point where people are REALLY angry about it. I think it's A - because it's a bit pricier of a campaign. I got an early bird, but it's still expensive.
Factor in that with the mob mentality and it's been blown out of proportion. People have emailed and messaged on facebook saying "If you just talk to us, you'll cut down the anger by 50%"
I've been quite active on there along with a few others and try to remind them that delays are normal on kickstarter. But wow. Nothing will quiet them.
@Melissa hi. Wanna talk about angry kc comments? Look up the grifta. I backed it as it looks amazing but over a year's of delays has made everyone, myself included, a wee bit, well, nasty. Kc is great and there will always be problems popping up but it comes down to the creator on how to deal with both the problem and the people who bought a promise. Also, One year woot!!!!
Dang it, even this livestreamer's cat is up in my face. I wish I could get a cat.
Creeper, that's a good point. They don't have a very loyal Kitten Corps to stand in and answer comments and redirect angry hate in these comments. Also, as EK proved, communication is freaking EVERYTHING! Communicate thoroughly and regularly and streamline the whole process and people will be somewhat agreeable.
@harvard- I'll have to check that out! And agreed- a HUGE part of this process is PR and customer relations. Creators sometimes forget that.
@zem- there are a few of us over there that are quite dedicated. And they know about the corps. :)
Morning kittens! It's Friday and cold. I think I will spend the whole weekend finish getting my apartment straight.
Morning kittens.
Hopefully today goes so well that I can have Monday off(really don't want to be one of the two people who would be in...hopefully we can take it off completely).
Hi everyone. What campaign is everyone talking about that passed EK?
The World's Best Travel Jacket
Though, it should be The World's Worst Communication Project, as they don't even answer anything, just copy and paste responses.
Hi, @Geist. Thank you for the financial assistance.
No problem Mike. Glad you got the payment. I hardly ever use Paypal and I wasn't sure if I could log back in. (I hate having to have 500 different passwords for my various accounts)
@Geist: Do what I do, one password, with 10 variations of it. Possibly more, I use letters, numbers replacing letter, symbols replacing letters, and numbers, to form a single password that is easily able to meet all requirements for passwords.
@GM: I don't see why some of the people who are backing that project are bitching. A three month delay is nothing. A year plus delay with very little communication is much much worse.
Maybe Kickstarter should make people take a test to see if they realize that this isn't a catalog store. If you pass the test, you can't complain if a creator goes pass their due date. If you fail, you can't be on Kickstarter.
I even mentioned the one where I am still waiting 4 years later...and was told I win. My response:
"Well, not really. I still don't have my comics. :P"
Dear U.K.,
You should know better than to buy this kind of junk. I thought you had more refined taste than that.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/mcdonalds-big-mac-sauce-is-literally-more-expensive-than-gold/ar-BBpqo7Y…
...it's just Thousand Island dressing. What is wrong with people?!
Oh, and it's gross.
Comment of the day right here:
Helmet Pickles 15 minutes ago
Any idea if Canada is counted in the "non US" category?
Couldn't agree with you more LZ. People can make a better version at home.
@GM: LOL! He/she is a smart one.
And today's winner of the Sklortz International Award for Kickstarter Excellence: Helmet Pickles!!! Congratulations, buddy, you "win".