Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-09T17:00:41-05:00
The "why" of why none of mine are available as digital copies involve copyrights on photos. The usual railroad history book has 200 to 300 pictures from maybe a hundred sources -- no author could afford to pay reproduction rights for all those images.
Horror Junky - Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2015-02-09T17:00:58-05:00
@Cheetahbutt: The problem I have with e-readers is that once you lose/have one stolen, there goes your entire collection
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-09T17:02:06-05:00
And if the author is a photo collector, no author has the funds to digitize his photo collection. One guy I know in the Atlanta area has over 175,000 negatives.
Kevin "Lord Zombitten" Buckner 2015-02-09T17:02:27-05:00
Geist, that's not true, at least not with a Kindle. Amazon keeps a record of everythinh you have, and you can download all of your library onto any device associated with your account
Gutenberg, and everything on Drive. Let them try to be lost.
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:03:27-05:00
@Geist, your library actually resides with the comany you purchased the book through. I have a Nook. If it is broken/lost/stolen/etc I can unlink that device from my account and sync up a replacement.
Anja "Cha!" Allen 2015-02-09T17:03:39-05:00
On the books vs e-books...I am glad for e-books as I also no longer have the space for books and have about 50 moving boxes full of books in my storage room. One day, I may have a whole room for books again. until that time, I do with e-books.
nothing beats a real book the feel of the paper the smell etc
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:04:36-05:00
I like books in all of their many forms. Audio and e-books give me the best opportunity to do other tasks. As you can tell, I'm a very busy lady.
Mike Kabala 2015-02-09T17:04:38-05:00
I detect a high degree of neo-Luddism right now. It's similar to the pride people express when they say they have more LP's and CD's. I believe it's misplaced as format is so much a personal choice.
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:05:34-05:00
I'm not the best at living a minimal life, but I really do like to condense where I can. I move a lot.
Mike Kabala 2015-02-09T17:06:24-05:00
@Geist, if I lose my Kindle or have it stolen, all I need is to replace it and my entire collection will be there waiting for me.
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-09T17:06:29-05:00
For me it's not really Luddism, it's just no access to the books on want in a digital format. One magazine publisher tried it, and his regular authors dropped him, his new authors were awful, and he went under. I do download game PDF's from folks like Steve Jackson Games though.
Anja "Cha!" Allen 2015-02-09T17:08:02-05:00
I even read mostly on my iPhone nowadays. It took some getting used to but it's convenient now. I do miss the feel and smell of books at times and then I'll just pick one up
Mike Kabala 2015-02-09T17:08:45-05:00
My point is that I like books no matter what format they're in. I love the smell of a good leather-bound codex, but I also enjoy taking my digital book collection with me wherever I go.
Mike Kabala 2015-02-09T17:09:14-05:00
I've been here too long. Gotta go catch my ride home. Later all.
Horror Junky - Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2015-02-09T17:09:32-05:00
@The Historian: I still don't want to pay for another e-reader if I lose it. Cheaper to purchase another book.
@Cheetahbutt: No, I simply don't want to read novels on an electronic devil pad. :-P
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:10:35-05:00
I support you all to have books in whatever form for whatever reason. #YoureWelcome
Rod "BaKhan" Mitchell 2015-02-09T17:10:42-05:00
Less than 20k to Purronica Mews! Your mewling will not save you!
Jeff "Great Cane of Doom"™ Saxton 2015-02-09T17:11:04-05:00
And I'm off to the grocery store. BBL, take care All ...
Read the entire Dark Tower on a tablet. While it would be better on paper, I'm not complaining. It's convenient. And will last forever.
Jack "Meow-tair, Head Catssassin" 2015-02-09T17:11:12-05:00
I work in a library, and I just can't understand the appeal of the e-book. The screen is small and the reading of print off a screen like that hurts my eyes in ways entire days spent reading a print book never even approaches. That all coupled with the fact that I openly distrust and dislike most technology means I'll never probably get into them, and I'm okay with that.
Horror Junky - Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2015-02-09T17:11:16-05:00
@Cheetabut: I have my books autographed. Kinda hard to do that on an e-reader
I have the entire Dark Tower in hardcover, it is awesome, and it will outlive me anyways...
Horror Junky - Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2015-02-09T17:12:45-05:00
Thank you Catness. I will refrain from torching the e-reader people.
Jack "Meow-tair, Head Catssassin" 2015-02-09T17:13:17-05:00
Though, when the time came to move my book collection/private library, I was kind of wishing I'd really been less of a technophobe...
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:13:58-05:00
@Meow-Tair, I use one that uses e-ink and I find it's about the same level of eye strain than a book (less so in low lit rooms as I have one with a built in lighting system).
@Geist, I purchased my first e-reader about 4-ish years ago, yet to lose it. I have had to replace the battery in it though.
Jack "Meow-tair, Head Catssassin" 2015-02-09T17:14:13-05:00
Moving hundreds of large books/reference materials up and down several flights of stairs ensured that I got my strength training in that day.
Horror Junky - Geist de la Muerte Gatito 2015-02-09T17:14:15-05:00
I am not a technophobe. I love my ipad with all of my heart and would have that thing attached to my hip if I could. I just don't want to read novels on it.
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:15:16-05:00
You guys really crack me up. I was having a shitty minute for a second there, but I got smiling again by reading through the quality havering that is to be had in the KittenCorps.
Jack "Meow-tair, Head Catssassin" 2015-02-09T17:17:29-05:00
To give you all an idea of where technology and I stand, I'm missing a chunk out of the back of my right hand after I punched a computer because it froze up on me one too many times. I fought the stuff and the stuff won. I had to cauterize the wound with a hot screwdriver blade because I didn't feel like getting more stitches in that hand. Up until a couple years ago my typical carry gun was a revolver, because I didn't trust semi-automatic pistols. A 100+ year-old design was too untested for me and too finicky in my mind. I've at least gotten better on that. And I still have never sent a text message in my life, and I've cut down trees in my life with an axe because I don't trust chainsaws (too dangerous).
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:17:39-05:00
@Geist, the e-ink version readers are a game changer (imho). They read like a book, with you put a cover on them they feel like a book, and I can have several volumes with me at once which is especially nice when on vacation or just during a day of marathon reading.
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:18:05-05:00
@Catness, glad we can lighten the mood, I also find when I come here that it brightens my day. :)
Derge 2015-02-09T17:18:14-05:00
So did we make the Deck Upgrades reward tier?
Anja "Cha!" Allen 2015-02-09T17:18:58-05:00
I second...
I endorse reading books in any format
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:19:57-05:00
Meow-tair, I think you're the type of person who provides balance for my type. I told my husband I want smart lights and he said, "No more smart things!!"
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:20:00-05:00
Spoiler alert: we're getting smart lights.
Bob "Powers of Tesla" Lindley 2015-02-09T17:20:24-05:00
We are past 20 Derge. Trying to get to 30.
Eric 'Tchotchke' Aschner 2015-02-09T17:22:09-05:00
All you people reading paper books are just so uppity.
I have all my stuff on stone tablets like you're supposed to. Why buy something that may only last a few hundred years even perfectly preserved?
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:22:17-05:00
@Catness, I for one welcome our Smart-item overlords...
Derge 2015-02-09T17:22:32-05:00
I have an iPad mini, but still miss my e-ink Nook sometimes.
I want eternal lights. Best I could find was 20 years. Good.
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:22:51-05:00
@Tchotchke, lol
Jack "Meow-tair, Head Catssassin" 2015-02-09T17:23:01-05:00
@Catness I told my wife my next vehicle was going to be a diesel truck with manual everything (locks, windows, no bluetooth whatchamacallits, satellite radio, alarm system, etc...) and she laughed at me, because she said they don't make "old man trucks anymore". I scowled at her, harrumphed and called her a "whippersnapper."
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:23:22-05:00
@Derge, I love my e-ink Nook with Glowlight, on of the best purchases I've ever made.
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:23:25-05:00
I want my lights to do a 2-minute sunrise when I trigger them in the morning. The light, it burns!
Epicderpguy 2015-02-09T17:23:35-05:00
I have an eternal light it uses uranium to power a light.
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:24:11-05:00
@Catness, that would be wonderful.
@Epic, wear much lead around the house?
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:24:37-05:00
Meow-tair, that's so funny! They make these kinds of things, but manual diesels are easier to find in Europe. You might run into problems if you start demanding crank windows.
Epicderpguy 2015-02-09T17:24:54-05:00
But I would never get within a thousand mile radius of it or else something bad tends to happen.
Where's the fun in that? I can get on the bus all the same.
Kevin "Lord Zombitten" Buckner 2015-02-09T17:28:16-05:00
My next car will be a manual. Anymore, that's a decent left deterrent
Epicderpguy 2015-02-09T17:28:40-05:00
Have you guys seen the bomb alarm clock every morning the bomb starts ticking to wake you up and you have to cut the correct wire or else it explodes in a loud screeching sound( meant to sound like a bomb)
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:28:41-05:00
Idle/Wild, The bus doesn't go directly where I want. As for fun, napping on my way to and from work sounds like the most fun I ever had.
Derge 2015-02-09T17:29:02-05:00
@ Tsveta Yeah, but you also have to smell everyone else on that bus.
Bob "Powers of Tesla" Lindley 2015-02-09T17:29:08-05:00
Jusst 18k Veronica... Will you run? or will you stand and try to fight?
Jack "Meow-tair, Head Catssassin" 2015-02-09T17:29:22-05:00
@Catness Tell me about it. I went into the car dealership to get my most recent vehicle and asked the guy for a vehicle with manual windows and locks and he just looked at me like I was crazy, or I was joking. I told him I was entirely serious. He said he didn't think they had a car like that on the lot. I knew someone who died in a car crash because they ended up in a lake and the water shorted out the window controls, so they couldn't get out in time to avoid drowning when the car filled with water. I figure a manual window doesn't have that issue, and if you lock your keys in a car with power locks, a slim jim won't help you in the least. I figure technology like that is more trouble than it's worth, for me at least. I prize reliability over all else.
Chris "The Historian" Loth 2015-02-09T17:29:49-05:00
@Catness, yeah, my wife would kill me if I used a sunrise alarm clock. After long term observation, I'm pretty sure I married a vampire. I'm also with you on the self-driving cars.
@Epic, might want to cut back on the lead-laced foods... that can't be healthy...
Epicderpguy 2015-02-09T17:30:59-05:00
@the historian their fine. Just eating it makes me feel quite heavy..
Shaun Fergus 2015-02-09T17:30:59-05:00
I have been wondering if this group could post 2500 comments in one day... has come very very close twice now... 2449 on 1-30 and 2438 on 2-6... currently at 1500ish for today...
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:31:16-05:00
Meow-tair, these are middle evolutionary steps. There are cars now that unlock the doors when they detect an accident. Also, I've had power-lock cars opened many times, so that is a thing that happens.
@Catness not sure about that. It's compromise all the way.
Epicderpguy 2015-02-09T17:35:49-05:00
I once bought a fully charged battery for my phone so I could go on to Amazon and buy a new phone from my phone
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:35:54-05:00
Idle/Wild, I was just teasing that the balance of truth reflected exactly what you've already said is your car preferences.
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:36:40-05:00
There are plenty of places compromise is good and there are lots of places that I'm judgment neutral on the right way to do things. Personal preference is a perfectly fine justification for car technology.
I'm totally fine with people having all the nice things in life. But some nice things are not the better... Thing.
Not pushing my opinion in any way. Just sharing.
James Valenti-Jordan 2015-02-09T17:39:05-05:00
hubcaps work as frisbees
Epicderpguy 2015-02-09T17:39:14-05:00
Why not emery
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:39:52-05:00
Idle/Wild, I agree. There are plenty of things people have or want that has a value I don't see.
James Valenti-Jordan 2015-02-09T17:40:56-05:00
frozen pizzas also fly like frisbees, unless you throw them so hard that friction causes them to cook midair. maybe amazon and dominos could come up with a frisbee pizza cannon
Melissa "The Creeper" Nicole 2015-02-09T17:41:09-05:00
very large nickels could be used as frisbees. or normal nickels, by mice.
Marie "Catness" C 2015-02-09T17:42:28-05:00
Idle/Wild, that's the other part of it! As best I can, I try not to conflate my opinion of something's value with an object understanding of the value of that thing.
The "why" of why none of mine are available as digital copies involve copyrights on photos. The usual railroad history book has 200 to 300 pictures from maybe a hundred sources -- no author could afford to pay reproduction rights for all those images.
@Cheetahbutt: The problem I have with e-readers is that once you lose/have one stolen, there goes your entire collection
And if the author is a photo collector, no author has the funds to digitize his photo collection. One guy I know in the Atlanta area has over 175,000 negatives.
Geist, that's not true, at least not with a Kindle. Amazon keeps a record of everythinh you have, and you can download all of your library onto any device associated with your account
Gutenberg, and everything on Drive. Let them try to be lost.
@Geist, your library actually resides with the comany you purchased the book through. I have a Nook. If it is broken/lost/stolen/etc I can unlink that device from my account and sync up a replacement.
On the books vs e-books...I am glad for e-books as I also no longer have the space for books and have about 50 moving boxes full of books in my storage room. One day, I may have a whole room for books again. until that time, I do with e-books.
Hmm. Time to re-read the Vorkosigan Saga.
nothing beats a real book the feel of the paper the smell etc
I like books in all of their many forms. Audio and e-books give me the best opportunity to do other tasks. As you can tell, I'm a very busy lady.
I detect a high degree of neo-Luddism right now. It's similar to the pride people express when they say they have more LP's and CD's. I believe it's misplaced as format is so much a personal choice.
I'm not the best at living a minimal life, but I really do like to condense where I can. I move a lot.
@Geist, if I lose my Kindle or have it stolen, all I need is to replace it and my entire collection will be there waiting for me.
For me it's not really Luddism, it's just no access to the books on want in a digital format. One magazine publisher tried it, and his regular authors dropped him, his new authors were awful, and he went under. I do download game PDF's from folks like Steve Jackson Games though.
I even read mostly on my iPhone nowadays. It took some getting used to but it's convenient now. I do miss the feel and smell of books at times and then I'll just pick one up
My point is that I like books no matter what format they're in. I love the smell of a good leather-bound codex, but I also enjoy taking my digital book collection with me wherever I go.
I've been here too long. Gotta go catch my ride home. Later all.
@The Historian: I still don't want to pay for another e-reader if I lose it. Cheaper to purchase another book.
@Cheetahbutt: No, I simply don't want to read novels on an electronic devil pad. :-P
I support you all to have books in whatever form for whatever reason. #YoureWelcome
Less than 20k to Purronica Mews! Your mewling will not save you!
And I'm off to the grocery store. BBL, take care All ...
Read the entire Dark Tower on a tablet. While it would be better on paper, I'm not complaining. It's convenient. And will last forever.
I work in a library, and I just can't understand the appeal of the e-book. The screen is small and the reading of print off a screen like that hurts my eyes in ways entire days spent reading a print book never even approaches. That all coupled with the fact that I openly distrust and dislike most technology means I'll never probably get into them, and I'm okay with that.
@Cheetabut: I have my books autographed. Kinda hard to do that on an e-reader
Good night from me. Read more, no matter in what format :)
Slow night at work. How's it going?
@Catness, thank you for your tolerance ;)
#lovewordsnotwar #ebookshaverightstoo #endebookoppressionow
I have the entire Dark Tower in hardcover, it is awesome, and it will outlive me anyways...
Thank you Catness. I will refrain from torching the e-reader people.
Though, when the time came to move my book collection/private library, I was kind of wishing I'd really been less of a technophobe...
@Meow-Tair, I use one that uses e-ink and I find it's about the same level of eye strain than a book (less so in low lit rooms as I have one with a built in lighting system).
@Geist, I purchased my first e-reader about 4-ish years ago, yet to lose it. I have had to replace the battery in it though.
Moving hundreds of large books/reference materials up and down several flights of stairs ensured that I got my strength training in that day.
I am not a technophobe. I love my ipad with all of my heart and would have that thing attached to my hip if I could. I just don't want to read novels on it.
You guys really crack me up. I was having a shitty minute for a second there, but I got smiling again by reading through the quality havering that is to be had in the KittenCorps.
To give you all an idea of where technology and I stand, I'm missing a chunk out of the back of my right hand after I punched a computer because it froze up on me one too many times. I fought the stuff and the stuff won. I had to cauterize the wound with a hot screwdriver blade because I didn't feel like getting more stitches in that hand. Up until a couple years ago my typical carry gun was a revolver, because I didn't trust semi-automatic pistols. A 100+ year-old design was too untested for me and too finicky in my mind. I've at least gotten better on that. And I still have never sent a text message in my life, and I've cut down trees in my life with an axe because I don't trust chainsaws (too dangerous).
@Geist, the e-ink version readers are a game changer (imho). They read like a book, with you put a cover on them they feel like a book, and I can have several volumes with me at once which is especially nice when on vacation or just during a day of marathon reading.
@Catness, glad we can lighten the mood, I also find when I come here that it brightens my day. :)
So did we make the Deck Upgrades reward tier?
I second...
I endorse reading books in any format
Meow-tair, I think you're the type of person who provides balance for my type. I told my husband I want smart lights and he said, "No more smart things!!"
Spoiler alert: we're getting smart lights.
We are past 20 Derge. Trying to get to 30.
All you people reading paper books are just so uppity.
I have all my stuff on stone tablets like you're supposed to. Why buy something that may only last a few hundred years even perfectly preserved?
@Catness, I for one welcome our Smart-item overlords...
I have an iPad mini, but still miss my e-ink Nook sometimes.
I want eternal lights. Best I could find was 20 years. Good.
@Tchotchke, lol
@Catness I told my wife my next vehicle was going to be a diesel truck with manual everything (locks, windows, no bluetooth whatchamacallits, satellite radio, alarm system, etc...) and she laughed at me, because she said they don't make "old man trucks anymore". I scowled at her, harrumphed and called her a "whippersnapper."
@Derge, I love my e-ink Nook with Glowlight, on of the best purchases I've ever made.
I want my lights to do a 2-minute sunrise when I trigger them in the morning. The light, it burns!
I have an eternal light it uses uranium to power a light.
@Catness, that would be wonderful.
@Epic, wear much lead around the house?
Meow-tair, that's so funny! They make these kinds of things, but manual diesels are easier to find in Europe. You might run into problems if you start demanding crank windows.
But I would never get within a thousand mile radius of it or else something bad tends to happen.
@Epic didn't mama tell you not to eat uranium?
Historian, they sell sunrise alarms clocks, but I don't sleep alone and I want to use the function at my discretion.
@the historian I wear only lead I eat lead baced food products or food with lead in them
Still driving manual. Excuse me, but I want to control the car.
@idle but it makes me glow!
Oh yes, no diesels for me either.
As soon as cars can reliably drive themselves, I'm ditching this old fashioned habit of driving at all.
Where's the fun in that? I can get on the bus all the same.
My next car will be a manual. Anymore, that's a decent left deterrent
Have you guys seen the bomb alarm clock every morning the bomb starts ticking to wake you up and you have to cut the correct wire or else it explodes in a loud screeching sound( meant to sound like a bomb)
Idle/Wild, The bus doesn't go directly where I want. As for fun, napping on my way to and from work sounds like the most fun I ever had.
@ Tsveta Yeah, but you also have to smell everyone else on that bus.
Jusst 18k Veronica... Will you run? or will you stand and try to fight?
@Catness Tell me about it. I went into the car dealership to get my most recent vehicle and asked the guy for a vehicle with manual windows and locks and he just looked at me like I was crazy, or I was joking. I told him I was entirely serious. He said he didn't think they had a car like that on the lot. I knew someone who died in a car crash because they ended up in a lake and the water shorted out the window controls, so they couldn't get out in time to avoid drowning when the car filled with water. I figure a manual window doesn't have that issue, and if you lock your keys in a car with power locks, a slim jim won't help you in the least. I figure technology like that is more trouble than it's worth, for me at least. I prize reliability over all else.
@Catness, yeah, my wife would kill me if I used a sunrise alarm clock. After long term observation, I'm pretty sure I married a vampire. I'm also with you on the self-driving cars.
@Epic, might want to cut back on the lead-laced foods... that can't be healthy...
@the historian their fine. Just eating it makes me feel quite heavy..
I have been wondering if this group could post 2500 comments in one day... has come very very close twice now... 2449 on 1-30 and 2438 on 2-6... currently at 1500ish for today...
Meow-tair, these are middle evolutionary steps. There are cars now that unlock the doors when they detect an accident. Also, I've had power-lock cars opened many times, so that is a thing that happens.
Myth busters did a lake show. Electric windows won.
You don't have the strength to wind it by hand underwater.
@Meow-tair. I keep an emergency glass hammer in each of our cars for that reason. They're cheap.
This is a really weird mix of tech philosophies.
Balance is the truth. Manual with electric windows :)
I collect all sorts of crap. Last one was a power bank from Amazon. The phone is charging off it now as I'm too lazy to find the adapter.
Idle/Wild, it's a beautiful thing how the truth always exactly aligns with our preferences. ;-)
Whaaat
@the historian the only proble I see with eating lead is that I have had to replace all my organs at least once kidney, brain, heart, ext.
Where did this old post come from, the future?
@Catness not sure about that. It's compromise all the way.
I once bought a fully charged battery for my phone so I could go on to Amazon and buy a new phone from my phone
Idle/Wild, I was just teasing that the balance of truth reflected exactly what you've already said is your car preferences.
There are plenty of places compromise is good and there are lots of places that I'm judgment neutral on the right way to do things. Personal preference is a perfectly fine justification for car technology.
I like to have my homework done ;)
These comments are too confusing to check in on from work...
Frisbees are cool.
Creeper, I like dog food. But, you know, for my dog.
I just came across another 5 original songs by Andre Lessa posted on YouTube!
Magical Enchiladas
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Defuse That Cat
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Hey Rainbow Ralphing Cat
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Hairy Potatocat
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Exploding Kittens
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@the creeper Now you know emery I only check on them when I'm driv
I'm totally fine with people having all the nice things in life. But some nice things are not the better... Thing.
Not pushing my opinion in any way. Just sharing.
hubcaps work as frisbees
Why not emery
Idle/Wild, I agree. There are plenty of things people have or want that has a value I don't see.
frozen pizzas also fly like frisbees, unless you throw them so hard that friction causes them to cook midair. maybe amazon and dominos could come up with a frisbee pizza cannon
@catness.... Ok....
Like EK :) A lot of people see nothing there.
very large nickels could be used as frisbees. or normal nickels, by mice.
Idle/Wild, that's the other part of it! As best I can, I try not to conflate my opinion of something's value with an object understanding of the value of that thing.